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July 30 New Post: Is It Possible that Gen Z and Millennials Having to Work 2 - 3 Jobs Is Contributing to the Nationwide Trend of Estrangement With Parents in the USA?
July 21 New Post: Don't Narcissists Care About Hurting You?
July 14 New Post: Reviews of "Narcissistic Rehab", "Narcissistic Detox" and "No More Narcissists" on Facebook
June 23 New Post: How I Came to Forgive the Narcissists in My Life (and it may not be what you think)
June 6 New Post: Why Do Sycophants Feel They Need to Follow Someone Who is So Unethical, Power Hungry, Cruel and Narcissistic? Comes with Personal Stories and a Deep Dive Into the Subject.
May 18 New Post: Family Obligation and the Scapegoat. Do You Owe Your Narcissistic Family Anything?
April 26 New Post: An Update: New Studies on Scapegoats of Narcissistic Families, Wills and Narcissistic Parents, Dissociation, and Some Other Topics of Note
April 6 New Post: Why Scapegoats of Narcissistic Families Are Unlikely To Turn Into Sycophants. Part II.
March 29 New Post: A Domestic Violence Situation and Tale - from a well known Canadian Musician.
March 9 New Post: Why Scapegoats of Narcissistic Families Find It Impossible to Turn Themselves Into Sycophants. Comes with a Discussion on Largely Involuntary Independent Thinking, C-PTSD and Healing.
February 28 New Post: Don't Get Narcissism Mixed Up With Alzheimer's Disease. How Similar Are They? Comes With a Discussion on Brain Science in Narcissistic Families and in Alzheimer's Disease
February 16 New Post: Perspecticide and Being Invalidated Often Feels Unsafe and Even Downright Dangerous On the Receiving End. Comes With a Discussion on Narcissism.
PERTINENT POST: ** Hurting or Punishing Others to Teach Them a Lesson - Does it Work?
PETITION: the first petition I have seen of its kind: Protection for Victims of Narcissistic Sociopath Abuse (such as the laws the UK has, and is being proposed for the USA): story here and here or sign the actual petition here
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Thursday, July 30, 2026

Is It Possible that Gen Z and Millennials Having to Work 2 - 3 Jobs Is Contributing to the Nationwide Trend of Estrangement With Parents in the USA?

 
As is customary of late, I asked Google AI "Is it possible that the trend of estrangement with parents has something to do with Gen Z and Millennials having to work multiple jobs to survive?" The answer I got was this (partial, in burgundy red): 

Yes, severe financial stress and working multiple jobs can contribute to family estrangement by draining mental energy and exposing clashing values over economic realities, though therapists primarily link the trend to a broader cultural focus on mental health boundaries rather than job counts alone.

* Exhausted bandwidth: Working multiple jobs causes severe burnout and money-driven anxiety, leaving young adults with little emotional reserve to tolerate difficult family dynamics or criticism.

One reason I asked this question was because in forums, this fact of life for Gen Z and Millennials is often brought up as one reason they had to split with their family in addition to negative family dynamics. The common negative family dynamics include criticizing them for who they are, or who they are dating, or what their interests or politics are, or how they measure up compared to their siblings, or they are too often expected to endure invalidation of their feelings, thoughts and experiences. If the family dynamics seem a little too toxic, or are demanding, or the family is highly critical of them, that can add too much stress to the already stressful environment of working very long hours. They prefer to retreat into peer support and therapy, rather than seek out their family for comment or support. 

That link also makes these realities known: Therapy is normalizing "firm relational boundaries" over continually enduring family dysfunction in society in the present time. That link also points to this reality: 60 percent of Gen Zs are estranged from a loved one, usually a family member or members. 

Compared to older generations, these younger generations feel little obligation to parents who cannot accept them for who they are and how they conduct their own decisions and lives, or parents who cannot accept their limits and boundaries, and parents who are refusing to acknowledge them beyond highly critical judgements. 

To me, these reasons seem fair, but I'm sure at a sixty percent rate of estrangement (and the creation of a "cancel culture"), some parents are being cancelled just because an adult child can do it without blow-back from their own generation, or others such as the Millennials and the younger half of Gen X, and even experience peer approval and support over doing it. 

However, when I look at forums for adult children who have been abused, I see very little from members who do it "because it is a trend."

The last story I read was from a women:
   As a little girl, she and her younger siblings were sexually abused by an older sibling. They felt that they had to take turns every night at staying awake so that if this older brother tried the door knob they could alert one another. Even after the complaints, the parents said they had talked to him, but it wasn't effective, and refused to intervene in ways that would stop him. As he grew older, he was labeled "a monster" by his siblings. Then the siblings all became estranged from the parents who enabled his behavior. The last comment she made was: "Sometimes parents don't abuse you directly, but they deeply enable a sibling to abuse you. I can no longer believe that our parents have our safety and well being in mind and I'm tired of being the target of my older brother. So I decided to 'go no contact' and to put my own safety in my own hands." 

That, to me, seems like a justifiable reason to be estranged.

Can the family work through it? Maybe if there is recognition of what the younger siblings went through, a lot of therapy, and a lot of accountability and accepting that their children distrust the parents for enabling the sexual abuse to happen. But should these children feel obligated to end the estrangement or "to forgive and forget"? 

This kind of situation is hard to forget, so pressures to forget are unlikely to happen. 
And forgiveness cannot be forced for it to be genuine.

And it depends what "forgiveness" means - putting yourself in harm's way when it comes to this older sibling who appears to his younger siblings to "have grown into a monster" at this juncture? 

In fact, I see almost no posts about being estranged for erroneous reasons. They are usually pretty dire situations like this one. 

But apparently many parents are saying that they care or cared deeply about their children, or a child, and the child still wanted estrangement, and even for some, the permanence of it. I'll look into that in another post, which is to say I've seen parents have concerns that this trend is so widespread that it is sweeping up adult children who are not, and were never, abused, and instead who are, and were, deeply loved and cared for, where parents were devoted to them for life.

They say that the estrangement trend is giving younger generations power over older generations (creating a generational split based on "unreasonable boundaries" - as some of these parents see them).  They are saying these adult children are telling parents to shut up about topics, even topics that aren't confrontational in the least, acting like what they say is of utmost importance while what older generations have to say is irrelevant, acting so narcissistic in conversation that the parents wonder if their child has this Cluster B disorder themselves, and is merely projecting his or her own personalities on to their parents, since narcissists project their own traits on to others). 

In my own life, I have on a personal level (not-internet based) known three people my age who were estranged from their children, but in all of those cases, the estrangement only went on for two years at most, and ended due to therapy with the estranged child.

However, I have also known even more parental figures my age who feel threatened by the generational trend of estrangement, and what they say is along these lines: "My parents told me to shut up a lot, that only they had the right to tell us when we could speak on a certain subject, or bring up a certain subject, and now I have children who are doing the same thing to me! Are we some kind of 'sandwich generation' of silenced people? I think what we lived through in our generation is pretty interesting, but neither generation wanted to hear anything about it; they judge us instead. So just like my kids, I am closer to my peers than to them, or anyone from other generations. I feel like my own generation goes out of their way to understand each other, but that no other generation wants to be bothered to understand us." 

That's a sad state of affairs, so I'm going to try to look at some other sides, though I won't have much compassion for adults who are "bashing" their children in forums as it seems that is what got their child to leave in the first place, or there was too much interference by the parent about how they were living, or even whether they measured up in terms of "parental approval". What adult child actually needs or asks for parental approval? Even when parents give it out of concern, or when asked, for instance, their child is either going to accept it, or reject it.

Children who are told to do things over and over again for parental approval are less likely to listen to their parent after a while
. And "adult children" who are told to do things over and over again for parental approval are less likely to listen to their parent too. What the latter link reveals is that it is seen by most adult children as a power struggle, or a parent who is unwilling to give up control when the child becomes an adult. That link also says that it is far more effective to give validation and respect for a child's independence than to harp on issues that the parent sees as negative or too independent. 

One thing I learned when I taught Head Start was that children respond much better when you talk about their positive qualities than their negative qualities and I took that lesson with me when I taught school aged children 6 - 12, and teens 13 - 18. Instead of saying "Don't do that!" unless it is a grave issue or mistake, I'd distract the child and focus on something they were good at: "You're good at building castles. Would you like to help 'so and so' build one?" They get attention from misbehaving, and if you can get them to get 'better attention' from being helpful, they tend to put their focus on that instead of on misbehaving. 

With school aged children and teens who were misbehaving enough to keep them after school, I focused on what they were good at when they were in class: "Why would you want to do this when you're so talented in (that)?" 


It definitely works a whole lot better in terms of behavior than constantly giving negative attention to bad behavior, and quite a bit better than trashing their self esteem. Narcissists feel they cannot afford to do this because it means their child becomes more "independent" (fear of the child's independence from the parent is what really triggers narcissistic injury and narcissistic rage), but for those of us who are not narcissistic, and do not feel narcissistic rage over a child's independence, we can afford to focus on any child's better qualities than their worst ones.

In my experience, misbehaving tends to slowly disappear when positive assessments get more focus than minor misbehaviors, in teenagers and young adults. For 3 - 4 year olds, the behavior gets better much faster. 

It also gets them looking at others in positive ways. Modeling positive thinking towards others and in them means your child will probably be looking at others, including you, the parent, in positive ways too. It just makes sense. 

I also talk about how to avoid estrangement with your kids in this post. And remember that patience, patience, patience is always necessary when you want positive, or an enlightened, or a compassionate discussion with underage children and adult children. If they have been taught "negativity and intolerance" you have to be patient with them "unlearning it". It can be a habit, and may take as long for them to unlearn as it was to learn it.

When you teach in a classroom, your students may still be learning how to get attention from misbehaving, but you can give them a counteractive experience where their best qualities can shine, where acceptance rather than rejection is more of their experience, and where all children's feelings make a difference.  

So since I have an open mind, I'll be exploring what non-narcissistic parents are going through with this trend. We already know that narcissistic parents are trying to hurt their children more when the child chooses estrangement, and I've already covered that, so for another post, it will be about parents who are fine with their childrens' independence, and who are trying to make up with their estranged child or children.

In the meantime, some understanding that this issue may be partly attributed to over-work and economic woes may help a little in terms of understanding that generation and how much stress they can realistically deal with in their day-to-day lives. 

FURTHER READING

This is the shift that unsettles older generations: a vision of the American dream untethered from property or possessions, rooted instead in lived experience and personal autonomy. - by Andrew Sciallo, opinion contributor to USA Today

Why Millennials and Gen Z are Going NO CONTACT with Their Parents - by Kati Morton (licensed mental health professional, USA) for her channel You Tube

Why adult children go no contact, according to science - by Dr. Ana (psychologist) for her channel on You Tube

Why people are going "no contact" with Oprah - by Dr. Ana (psychologist) for her channel on You Tube


"No Future?" Why Gen Z Feels Doomed | EP517 | The Dr. Phil Podcast - by Dr. Phil (You Tube)

Why People Cut Off From Family? Here's What Psychology Says - by Mind Decoded (You Tube)

What Happens When Narcissistic Parents Lose Their Scapegoat - by Jerry Wise (You Tube)

Cutting Off Family: Why So Many Adult Kids Are Going 'No Contact' | Dr. Phil Primetime - by Dr. Phil (You Tube)

Psychology Of People Who Cut Off Contact With Their Families - by Apex Psychology (You Tube)

The Psychology of People Who Have Endured too Much Trauma - by Solentis (You Tube)

Toxic Parents? Gen Z Cuts Ties for Good | Dr. Phil Primetime - by Dr. Phil (You Tube)

Narcissistic Family: 9 Signs It's Time to Go No Contact - by Jerry Wise (You Tube)

The psychology of people who cut off contact with their families - by Koo Psychology and Pax Psychology

Tuesday, July 21, 2026

Don't Narcissists Care About Hurting You?

 

"Mom Does Not Love. The Things Not Said"

Do narcissists care about hurting you? No

Is the reason why narcissists don't care about hurting you have to do with their lack of empathy? Yes.

Is the reason why narcissists dont care about hurting you have to do with their inability to form deep connections and sometimes prioritize your feelings over theirs? Yes.

Is the reason for narcissists' inability to have empathy for you have to do with atrophied parts of the brain, particularly the anterior insula and prefrontal cortex? Yes

When you feel distressed, do narcissists interpret your feelings as a nuisance for them? Yes (or a burden, an imposition, or inconvenience). What this link reveals is that your distress fails to trigger a comforting response from them, so you often feel alone with your feelings, that they aren't important to the narcissist. 
   What this link also reveals is that they can also respond with anger or invalidation to your pain. Common responses are also dismissal and minimization, blame and playing the victim so that your attention reverts to them. 

Do narcissists sometimes punish you for feeling hurt? Yes. Reasons why include feeling they are being criticized (narcissists are typically emotionally highly dysregulated, often with rage and indignation, when they feel they are being criticized resulting in narcissistic injury), a feeling that they are losing control of what you do, what you say and how you express yourself which can also trigger narcissistic rage in them, especially if they feel it is hurting their ego or challenging their superiority or ego-inflated narrative, and if you feel hurt because of something they did (because narcissists refuse to be held accountable for anything). 

What are types of punishments narcissists indulge in when you are feeling hurt by them? From the link: they escalate hurting you more as opposed to comforting you. They often stonewall or give you the silent treatment. They often gaslight and then blame-shift. They withold affection. They guilt-trip. They bait you to try to get you to react with anger or shame so that they can call you "the problem". 

What are types of punishments that malignant narcissists indulge in when you are feeling hurt by them? From the link: They often escalate abuse to regain dominance. They do the same kinds of things run-of-the-mill narcissists do, but they tend to be much more destructive, weaponizing everything they think they can, to get you to stop talking about being hurt by them. Escalating rage is common and dangerous in the hands of malignant narcissists.  

Do narcissists ever do double-takes later in terms of abusing you because you felt hurt by them? No. From the link: They are not capable of it because they do not make a point of being perceptive of your perspectives and why you might feel the way you do, plus they don't want to consider it because they find remorse and double takes as a weakness which would compromise their feelings of superiority. 

When you feel you can no longer tell a narcissist how you feel, working out resolutions is not possible. What that link reveals: meaningful dialogue about how you feel requires respect from the other person, and narcissists do not respect people who are hurt by them - they will not consider their own accountability, or any form of perspective-taking to understand where you are coming from. You will get blame-shifting, lack of empathy, and a competition where the narcissist will make it clear that they have to win at controlling you and controlling the narrative, and that your being hurt by them is trying to control them to feel guilt, and a "flawed perspective" of their intentions, the former being another "gaslighting attempt". 

Do narcissists understand that they hurt others, even egregiously? Yes, but they just don't care, and they refuse to react to the harm they cause in a way that is helpful or healing. From the link: they justify hurting you. They put up defenses right away, failing to recognize or verbalize any harm they have caused you. They minimize the impact. They often tell you that you are "over-reacting" or are "too sensitive" or that "your perceptions are flawed" (a type of gaslighting). They may rewrite the narrative and blame you for being hurt by their actions. Some narcissists pretend at feeling remorse to hoover you back or to get you from leaving, but most often they don't mean it. In fact, they refuse to feel any remorse if they feel they can get away with it, and instead of feeling remorse, they may escalate abusing you if they think you are trying to make them accountable. "You need to be punished", "the consequences are --" and naming something that will hurt you, threats to take something from you, would be signs, but that tends to be a malignant narcissist's or sociopath's way as run-of-the-mill narcissists are more careful not to label their punishments, threats, consequences, retaliations, abuses, rages, smear campaigns, discards and silent treatments as punishments, or desires to hurt you, so that they can deny they punished you or tried to hurt you at all if they want you back in the future - it is the ultimate gaslighting and hoovering trick: "Why would you ever think I'd want to punish you or hurt you!? Who do you think I am? You must be crazy to think that!"
   They have little to no capacity to respond in a healthy manner to you being hurt by them, and eventually discussing how they treat you becomes unproductive, if not dangerous for you.  What that link reveals: you are never likely to get an apology and any abuse, punishment or retaliation that you are receiving as it relates to them hurting you is likely to escalate. 

How do covert vulnerable narcissists act when you tell them they hurt you? What this link reveals: Covert vulnerable narcissists overreact to criticism to the point where even mild constructive feedback is perceived as a "humiliating, ego-shattering attack". They can also perceive a criticism as an "absolute rejection." However, most people don't know this because narcissists feel so free to criticize others. 
   How they deal with criticism is different from the way grandiose overt narcissists operate. So it becomes impossible to talk to covert vulnerable narcissists about the slightest hurt or issue you've received from them without severe consequences. Some of those consequences include the DARVO tactic, passive aggressive consequences like the silent treatment, deliberately feigning forgetfulness that it's your birthday or other holiday event, or deliberately slacking on promises they made to you, feigned helplessness, feigned victimhood to avoid accountability, guilt-tripping, trying to make you totally responsible for their moods, the attacks they perpetrate, and their well-being.
   Covert vulnerable narcissists operate from a victim mentality, and the more covert narcissists hurt you, the more they play the victim. This manipulation is to get you serving them, just as it is with all narcissists.
   The manipulation tends to work remarkably well, especially since most people are likely to get into "a rescue mode" and are empathetic. However, it does not work long term, especially as you begin to realize they use the victim card any time you have an issue with their behavior. It becomes more like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" (seeing the manipulation behind claiming they are a victim). 
   However, they actually really do feel victimized in the moment when you have trouble with their behavior or put boundaries in place, however if they are highly critical of others, they don't believe they are doing any damage to the other person - or they believe it is justified, a pre-emptive self protection, or a justified retaliation for any resistance you may have to their control
   With malignant vulnerable narcissism, there tends to be a marked bully-victim cycle as well as a more sudden shift from "nice" to "punishing", from calm to blinding rage, more sadistic consequences for the slightest sense that you may be criticizing them or putting up a boundary, quite a bit more projection (blaming you for all of the sins they commit), and since many of them are violent, they can go from being violent towards you to victim stances ("Why don't you help me?", "Why don't you care about me?"). Malignant vulnerable narcissists can be dangerous.
   It can be hard to tell the difference between vulnerable narcissism from malignant vulnerable narcissism because they both act covertly, but the differences are spelled out HERE. The main way to tell the difference is that there is an element of cruelty, sadism and a definite punishing retaliatory mindset to the malignant type. At any rate, it can be exhausting trying to figure out what type they are without counseling or without researching the different types. If you feel they are trying to punish you or destroy you in some way (career, financially, self esteem, in belonging to a common family or friendship group, or resorting to crimes to hurt you), you are probably dealing with the malignant type (and no, malignant narcissists do not, and cannot change - the chances for "genuine" change are extremely, extremely  low - if they attend therapy, they are likely to revert back to the way they were before with new tools for more destructive behavior).
   Therefore, talking to any form of covert narcissist about anything interpersonal does not make sense, and especially talking about how you feel, or how they have hurt you. We do make mistakes sometimes because we don't always know we are talking to narcissists, but if you get a strong reaction and a victim mentality, you can usually make a bet it is due to covert vulnerable narcissism or malignant vulnerable narcissism, and decide how you will discuss things going forward. 

If a narcissist cannot hear you or treat you with respect after hurting you, who do you talk to? What the link reveals: Mental health practitioners, specialized support groups, trusted friends or family members. 

Is the only thing that keeps narcissists from hurting you more is their image and reputation? Yes, but it is not the only thing that holds them back. What that link reveals: Image and reputation management often come first and are part of every narcissist's obsession, but they also don't like losing the steady stream of narcissistic supply and the role you supply. If they hurt you too much, they realize they will lose you and the control of what you say and reveal about them, and since they are terrified of shame and the exposure of their abusive rageful side, they often opt to not go too far into hurting you. For some narcissists, fear of legal and financial repurcussions can also be part of the picture. 
   Having hesitations about hurting you is not part of a sociopath's make up however, so if they deeply and swiftly escalate hurting you, they are likely to have some Antipersonality Disorder traits. And note: narcissists can go sociopathic, especially if they are deeply enabled by others. One way you tell if you are dealing with a malignant narcissist (a person with both narcissistic and socopathic traits) is that they get narcissistic supply out of raging, frightening, and threatening you, and they tend to show sadism in either speech or deeds. They also let you know they hate you and that you deserve the worst treatment if you do not follow their orders. 
   In other words, be careful, as not all people who show the major traits of narcissism hold back on hurting you, especially if they feel their reputation, as well as the control and domination they have over you, is at stake. 

Narcissists don't care if they hurt their children either, right? Right. What that link reveals:
   Some of the hurt they cause to their children is intentional, and some of it is unintentional. The unintentional hurt they cause comes from being unempathetic, extremely self centered, and egocentric.
   Affection is given as a reward for compliance, and not for who the child is.
   Children feel they are only loved when they perform duties for their narcissistic parent.
   Narcissists will still balk at accountability when their child is hurt, and the narcissistic parent will still alter reality (gaslight their child), blame-shift, mock or rage at the child for being hurt.
   This often means that a child's safety, emotional needs and a child's milestones and accomplishments are often ignored unless the parent can use the milestones and accomplishments to make themselves look good and infallible to others.
   The consequence for a child being parented by a narcissist is that they often feel their feelings and emotions are invisible to their parent, and that they must sacrifice these parts of themselves to serve to their parent. What this link reveals: children often try hard to suppress their emotions and authentic selves, or adopt a "false self" to feel safe with their parent. Note: adopting a false self or mirroring the narcissist's opinions, abuse tactics, ways of relating, and prejudices can create narcissism in the child.
   Children also often adopt hypervigilence and fawning to keep safe.
   They also often feel trauma bonded with their parent too.
   Chronic attempts to reach the parent's perfection standards in deeds and emotions causes deep anxiety, and if they find they can never please their parent, they can develop CPTSD. Once a child develops CPTSD, suppressing emotional expression effects the nervous system and can produce either dysregulated emotions ("emotional storms"), living with emotions alone, dissociation, or emotional numbing (unreactive)

How about narcissistic leaders of nations? Do they care if they hurt their own populace and the populations of other nations? Not really. What that link reveals: They look at it as "a necessary byproduct or collateral damage in the pursuit of their personal goals." 

How about if you tell a narcissist that it won't make your relationship better to punish you? Will they think about what you said? No. What that link reveals: It will rarely lead to changed behavior or self reflection. They typically believe you need to do the self reflecting, and change your behavior because they look at themselves as "the superior" in most relationships (i.e. the one who controls, dominates, is in charge of telling you what to do, and defining what the relationship is and what they determine are your responsibilities towards them, and any deviation from that is looked upon by them as "your moments of insanity or incompetence" or insubordination).
   They are not out to build a healthy relationship. They are out to control you, and if you tell them that they will make the relationship worse by punishing you, and the trust you have in them disappear, they will use what they know about you in this regard to inflict more pain. 

If you ask the narcissist kindly not to punish you or hurt you, what do they usually do? What that link reveals: they rarely stop the behavior. Instead they view your request as a vulnerability and will generally use DARVO and gaslighting tactics, plus increase the punishments (they look at the request as a boundary you are trying to set with them, and it can lead to narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury, as they feel entitled to control you - as in the scene above, the superiority complex they have assumes that they have a right to control you and dominate your decisions, even about personal boundaries).
   Obviously this can be a major issue for us if they are a malignant narcissist who is a domestic violence offender, a criminal narcissist, a paranoid narcissist who believes everyone is out to either compete with them or hurt them, and narcissists in public offices. 

What do narcissists think they get or achieve when they hurt other people? What that link reveals: They hurt other people to regain or maintain control of you, and to restore their self esteem.
   However, psychologists Dr. Ramani Durvasula and Dr. Les Carter have remarked in their videos that they hurt you to make themselves feel they are better than you, that by making you feel worse, they feel better in comparison. Narcissists are always in some sort of competitive frame of mind, so if they feel better than you do, even if they had a hand in making you feel worse, they feel they have won a "happiness competition". This is also referred to in psychology circles as a "zero sum game"

Do narcissists ever put in the effort to stop hurting others? It is extremely rare, so no, on the whole they do not. What that link reveals: If they try, it's never really a genuine and sustained effort. They have litlle motivation to change because of their defense mechanisms, lack of emotional empathy, and because they are often deeply enabled by people around them. They also believe they will always get their own way, and that they have the upper hand in most situations. 

Does a narcissist hurt a lot of people during their life? Yes. What that link reveals in terms of who gets hurt the most: romantic partners and spouses, their children, their siblings, and their co-workers. Most narcissists know they cause pain and distress to others, but their makeup is such that they almost always prioritize their own satisfactions and desires over the well-being of others. 


Is it wise to try to leave narcissists who punish you for feeling hurt by them? Yes. What that link reveals: Even though narcissists cannot communicate about issues regarding their hurting or abusing others without resorting to negative reactions like rage and punishing (narcissists know they hurt others, but they aren't in the habit of ever admitting it), leaving narcissists over issues like this can present dangers.
   Initiating a split takes careful planning (I usually suggest domestic violence services to assess the dangers of the particlar person you are trying to leave, like whether they are the malignant brand, and the types of things you should take with you when you leave, as every person's situation is different). Narcissists can't even admit to themselves that they drove you away because you were continually hurt by them, instead resorting to smear campaigns like: "She left because she's crazy and a constant basket case", or "He left because he's selfish and never cared how I felt" (which is a type of DARVO), or "She left because I got tired of listening to her problems". They will never recognize the pain they caused you verbally, but if you return, they will punish you for leaving over the pain you felt (image preservation takes precedence). In other words, they thought you should "shut up and endure the pain without complaint". 

How about when it comes to narcissists feeling pain over something you did? Do they expect you to care about causing them pain when they don't care about causing you pain? Quote from Google AI: "Yes, narcissists expect you to care about their pain while ignoring yours."  Another quote from the same article: "They often demand that you prioritize their feelings, validate their struggles, and comfort their distress while giving up your own." - says it all.

After I came across the answer to the last question, I personally am done with this section, but you are free to pursue your own questions.

SOME FURTHER REPERCUSSIONS OF
NARCISSISTS NOT CARING IF THEY HURT OTHERS
APART TO WHAT IT DOES TO THEIR REPUTATION
AND THEIR ABILITY TO OBTAIN POSITIVE FORMS OF
NARCISSISTIC SUPPLY

What I have written in the previous section mainly has to do with narcisists in relationships with spouses, partners, and children, but when we take this into other types of human-to-human contact, it presents a serious problem. For instance:

* Let us say that a narcissistic person causes a serious car accident. They may not care enough about the occupants of the other car enough to call an ambulance. They may instead, be focused on trying to make the accident appear to law enforcement to be the occupants of the other car at fault entirely.  

* Another situation: A narcissist with sociopathic traits (a malignant narcissist) rises to power and starts an invasion of a neighboring country. Since he does not care about hurting other people, and since with the sociopathic traits he doesn't particularly care what it does to his reputation either, he commits war crimes by killing civilians, even children and babies. 
   However, he does care a great deal if people want to hurt him, so he kills people who he fantasizes want to kill him.
   He has a bunker built that he and his comrades can hide in. Eventually, the war ends because there are too many casualties. The soldiers either defect to the other side or march home despite what some of their commanders tell them to do. In fact, even the commanders start marching home at some point, refusing to fight for the malignant narcissist. 
   Most of the public wants the malignant narcissist out of power. When he is caught in his bunker, he acts like a victim and cries for mercy. 

* Another manifestation: A narcissistic person in the heat of an argument kills his mate in a rage. He didn't mean to kill her. He just wanted to hurt her (and frankly, he went too far in hurting her because his narcissism means he doesn't care if he hurts her). 
   He feels persecuted when a judge holds him accountable. 

Narcissists aren't just bad for their mates and families. They can be parasitic in society. 

FURTHER READING:

SOME VIDEOS ON THIS TOPIC:

Do narcissists know they hurt you? - by psychologist, Dr. Ramani (You Tube)

Proof narcissists KNOW their behavior is unacceptable - by psychologist, Dr. Ramani (You Tube)

Unbound: Why Narcissists Need to Hurt You - by psychologist, Les Carter for Surviving Narcissism (You Tube)

The next two videos are from a Facebook public account (called "No More Narcissists"), and require you to sign into Facebook to see them, but they explain a lot of the issues you will encounter succinctly: 

FOUND ON FACEBOOK:






Tuesday, July 14, 2026

Reviews of "Narcissistic Rehab", "Narcissistic Detox" and "No More Narcissists" on Facebook

I like these three channels on Facebook. I think the videos are informative and the comments on them tell me that many, many people can relate to them on these sites and in terms of how they were treated by a narcissist in a relationship. 

I would recommend them, but I do have a few issues. 

Most of them feature a grandiose male narcissist as the protagonist. Granted, they are the most common kind.

None of them cover female narcissists very much. 

None of them, as far as I've been able to decipher, feature other kinds of narcissism, especially covert, vulnerable, malignant, paranoid and communal narcissists. So the scope can feel small if you are dealing with these other types of narcissists and they aren't quite fitting what you are seeing. 

Very few of them portray child abuse, or workplace abuse by a narcissistic co-worker or boss, or portray narcissistic world leaders, for instance. They are mostly about dealing with a narcissist in a romantic relationship. 

A lot of them focus on lack of accountability in narcissists, and narcissists' penchant for blame-shifting and unempathetic responses. 

As long as you understand that most of these videos feature a certain kind of narcissist, primarily the male grandiose type, the videos are informative and well done. 

Here are the four channels with some links to some of the videos you'll come across on their channels (note, you have to sign into your Facebook account to access these videos):

No More Narcissists:
* 4 Reasons Narcissists Feel Nothing After Hurting You
6 Things You Should Never Do For a Narcissist
The Narcissist Has Seven Priorities in Life, and You're Not One of Them
5 Situations That Make a Narcissist Revalue You After Discarding You
Why Narcissists Start to Panic When You Become Independent
* 5 Ways to Shut Down a Narcissist When They Refuse to Stop (When a Narcissist Refuses to Stop, They are Not Looking for Understanding)
9 Signs of Brain Fog After Narcissistic Abuse
* 3 People Every Narcissist Secretly Bows Down To
* How Narcissists Slowly Wipe Out the Person You Used to Be
* 6 Things Narcissists Can Not Do, No Matter How Hard They Try

Narcissist Rehab:
* RECOMMENDED: 7 Things Narcissists Do WHen They Know They Are Wrong

* RECOMMENDED: This is the Narcissist's Favorite Way to Manipulate You
* 6 Ways Narcissists Use Money as a Weapon
* 6 Ways Narcissists Deliberately Give You PTSD
* 5 Truths That Only Hit You After Letting a Narcissist Go
* 6 Disturbing Things Narcissists Do Right After a Breakup
* 6 Secrets Narcissists Never Reveal to Anyone (Not Even Their Closest Friends)
* 7 Boundaries Every Child NEEDS When One Parent is a Narcissist
* 5 Things Narcissists Do After the Relationship Ends
* RECOMMENDED: 6 Ways Narcissists Punish You the Second You Stand Up to Them
* 6 Signs the Female Narcissist is Not in Love With You

The Narcissist Detox:

* The Hidden Cost of Loving a Narcissist Will Make You Sick When You See It
Never Tell a Narcissist These Five Things About Yourself
* Why the Narcissist Can't Stop Obsessing Over Their Ex
* 5 Ways the Narcissist Conditioned You to Believe Your Needs Don't Matter
6 Simple Things That Make the Narcissist Nervous 
7 Ways the Narcissist Accidently Exposes Themselves
5 Things the Narcissist Can Never Control that Humiliate Them Every Day
7 Ways the Narcissist Ends Up Sabotaging Themselves
6 Things the Narcissist Faces Every Day That Makes Them Miserable
Be Good Enough to Forgive the Narcissist, but Don't Be Stupid Enough to Ever Trust Them Again
Narcissists Want to Be Seen As Providers, But in Reality, They Are Withholders
A Liar's Worst Enemy is Someone With a Good Memory

GRAPHICS FROM EACH OF THESE CHANNELS

FROM "NARCISSIST REHAB" CHANNEL (poster):




FROM "THE NARCISSIST DETOX" CHANNEL (poster):



FROM "NO MORE NARCISSISTS" CHANNEL (picture with explanation in the comments section):

What it says in the comments:

Your body keeps score. Even when your mind is still trying to make excuses for them, still trying to figure out what you did wrong, your body already knows the truth.
It's trying to tell you. Loudly.
Here are 7 physical changes that happen when a narcissist is slowly taking you apart.
## Your Stomach Is In Knots. Constantly.
You hear their key in the door and your gut drops. You see their name on your phone and your stomach clenches like a fist.
That is not anxiety. That is your nervous system screaming at you that you are not safe.
Chronic stress from narcissistic abuse parks itself right in your digestive system. Nausea, stomach pain, IBS flare-ups that your doctor can't quite explain. Sound familiar?
Your body knew before you did.
## You Cannot Sleep
You lie awake replaying conversations. Picking apart what you said, what they said, what you should have said.
"Why are you so sensitive?" "You always do this." "Nobody else has a problem with me."
Those words circle your brain at 2am while they sleep just fine next to you. The hypervigilance you carry from walking on eggshells all day does not just switch off at night.
## Your Hair Is Falling Out
This one surprises people. Prolonged emotional stress pushes hair follicles into a resting phase, and weeks or months later, it comes out in clumps in the shower drain.
You mention it to them and get: "You're being dramatic. Everybody loses hair."
Right. Sure.
## Your Immune System Has Given Up
You catch every cold going around. You take forever to recover. You feel run down in a way that sleep does not fix.
Cortisol, the stress hormone your body pumps out when it senses danger, suppresses immune function over time. When the danger is a person you live with, that cortisol tap never turns off.
Your body is fighting a war on two fronts, and it is exhausted.
## The Headaches That Never Fully Go Away
Tension headaches, migraines, a dull pressure behind your eyes that shows up most days. You have tried everything.
Here is what you have not tried: removing the source of the tension.
Narcissistic abuse keeps your nervous system in a permanent state of low-grade alarm. Your muscles stay braced. Your jaw stays clenched. Your head pays for it.
## Your Weight Shifts Without Explanation
Some people under this kind of stress stop eating entirely. The appetite just vanishes.
Others go the other way, reaching for food as the one thing that feels like comfort in a house that offers none.
Either way, your relationship with your own body changes. And when you mention it, you probably hear: "Maybe if you tried harder." Or: "I'm just being honest with you because I care."
Yeah. That kind of caring.
## You Feel Physically Tired In A Way You Cannot Explain
Not sleepy. Not lazy. Bone-deep tired.
The mental energy it takes to manage a narcissist every single day is staggering. Monitoring their mood before you speak. Calculating how to phrase a sentence so it does not set them off. Bracing for impact anyway.
That is a full-time job your body is doing on top of everything else, and it is burning through your reserves.
When people finally leave a narcissistic relationship, one of the first things they notice is how physically different they feel within weeks. Lighter. Less tense. Like something that was gripping them from the inside finally let go.
That thing was not a mystery illness.
That thing had a name.