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Friday, December 15, 2023

For Scapegoats of Narcissistic Parents: "I'm being invited back into my family after being estranged, and I'm pretty sure my parents are narcissists. Have they changed? Is this an apology or something else?"

BEFORE I GET TO THE POST
FIRST, AN ANNOUNCEMENT

Before I get to what this post is about, I have an announcement.

I will be continuing my series on shaming, as promised, but during the holidays, I thought that this post and the topic might be more appropriate.

The last three posts in the series on shaming to be published are:

* How Being Exposed to Shaming, Erroneous Blaming, Perspecticide, Gaslighting, and Most of All Fawning, Can Create Narcissism in a Child, Plus a Tease About a Personal Story - that's the title, and the writing is completed. It's a deep dive into this subject. A minor graphic artwork has yet to be made. So, you can look forward to that.  

* A cartoon/illustration that will make a post in the series more understandable

* And another deep dive post into the shame/rage spiral

So you can look forward to that.

Now for this post:

PRELUDE

I was inspired to write this post from a number of sources. The sources are listed below.

Around this time every year, many scapegoats of narcissistic parents are asking the question: "I was thrown out of my family, but after xxxx years, they are inviting me to spend Christmas with them again. What is going on? Have they decided I'm not to blame for all of the things they threw me out of the family for, or are they apologizing for what they have done to me, or is it for something else? And should I find out for sure?" - or some variation of that. 

And invariably people who have had the experience of going back say "Don't do it! It's a trap! This is what happened to me ..." and they tell some horrific tale of abuse by the parent, or a sibling (often siblings don't want you back - they believe it threatens the family resources they feel entitled to), or the whole family starts abusing again, often beginning with an extraordinary amount of chiding and cruel put-downs that they try to cloak as humor at your expense.  

While the tales have their differences, the fact that they were scapegoated again when they rejoined the family is the part of the tale that rarely seems to change, and in the overwhelming number of stories they are scapegoated worse than they were before, often over the most flimsy of reasons and excuses. 

WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN?

Narcissists grew up in homes with too much blaming, shaming and criticizing. To avoid being targeted, they put fault on others, usually a sibling. If it worked, then they kept using it. Eventually they came to use it most of the time, and lied to keep from being targeted. Sometimes they were targeted regardless. In that case they were more likely to end up as the vulnerable covert kind of narcissist who seems more shy and less grandiose on the surface. If they got away with it time and time again, then they are more likely to be the overt grandiose style of narcissist. 

Once they become narcissistic parents, they put children in roles, usually by the time they are toddlers. All of the roles exist to pay service to, and enhance, the narcissist's ego. Almost all children who grow up with authoritarian narcissistic parents have shattered egos, and some even have a shattered sense of self, even the favorite less abused child, and they all react differently to being gutted. It's understandable why a scapegoat would have a shattered sense of self, but why would less abused children have one too? And the answer is that they developed a false self in order not to be scapegoated themselves (in other words, they acted).

Narcissistic parents punish, reward, play head games, and manipulate to keep you in the role they have assigned you.

The scapegoat role exists because the parent refuses to be accountable for anything that might tarnish their ego and an image they want to present, or that causes delays in their ambition to reach the top in terms of power, control, domination, superiority and an authoritarian role in the family, at work, and in their friendship circles. All of this is pretty common, and self deceptive, because their style of bringing up a family rarely works (the rate of divorce, the rate of cheating, the rate of lying, and the rate of estrangement from children is very high, and they don't have what most families have: mutual support and having each other's back - all of that usually falls apart).
     They don't gain superiority at work either because what they do at work is usually triangulating, constant complaints to the boss about others in the workplace, indulging in false gossip, manipulating bosses and workers to believe in conspiracy theories about workers they feel they are in competition with, and blame-shifting (they most often get fired eventually because their tactics are found out, or they are caught bullying, or stealing from the business, or their work isn't up to par because they are spending too much time throwing co-workers under the bus instead of working).
     They also don't have "real friends" the way most of us have because they engage in lying to friends about what is really happening in their lives, and they are, again, in certain friendships only for ego reasons, or because they think they will gain some sort of superior standing by associating with certain people. 

Likewise, giving a child a scapegoat role is self deceptive too because the child isn't really at fault for everything the parent wants them to be at fault for, of course. They may not be at fault for anything, no matter how hard the parent tries to put the fault on them, no matter how much gaslighting they do, no matter how many punishments there are and how severe they try to make the punishments, no matter how much hatred the parent throws at the child, no matter how many smear campaigns they run trying to get others to believe they have an all-of-the-time, all-at-fault child, because the parent isn't dealing with reality, and it isn't moral or ethical. They are just replaying their childhood family script. Someone in the family usually knows what the truth is anyway, especially siblings, though because the parent is exerting so much pressure, power and threats, the other children may never say anything because they are trauma-bonded, too threatened by the specter of becoming a scapegoat themselves. In order to keep that threat away from themselves, they too are likely to attribute anything they do that is "bad" to the same scapegoat child the parent is using. So then it can become a situation of family bullying. 

Because children who are given the scapegoat role have a difficult time not defending themselves when falsely accused of events that either did not happen, or did not happen the way the parent thought they did, they are likely to react strongly to being falsely accused. Defending yourself when wronged is very normal, and under these kinds of circumstances it is especially normal. And if you are a scapegoat, you know the drill when you react to being falsely accused: they will call you crazy for reacting or defending yourself, or tell you in some way or another that your reactions aren't appropriate or normal - the gaslighting starts, and it never ends over fantasy events and fantasy faults they try to saddle you with.

They'll often spend their entire lives punishing you if they fail to correct your perceptions, wearing you down, until you give in. If you don't give in, you are punished again, or banished. If you give in to get the issue off your back and to stop the coercion, you are a martyr and a liar. Then you are likely to be rewarded for being a liar by your parent, which causes all kinds of issues, both with the parent (lying under duress), people in the family who know you are lying to make the narcissist happy, and who begin to lie for their own outcomes. While the parent may be happy that you lied, and tried to please them, your own physical, emotional and ethical well being takes a huge hit.  

Most scapegoats of narcissistic families are banished at one time or another, or several times from their family. In fact, I'd bet that most children and adult children who are banished or estranged from their parents, and who haven't been charged with a crime or crimes, and who aren't going to rehabs over and over again, are scapegoats of narcissistic families. Alcoholic families have their scapegoats too, but there isn't the same kind of on-going consistency of hatred, attacks and never-ending fault finding that there are towards scapegoats of narcissists. The hate will deepen and become full of conspiracy theories when narcissists practice scapegoating.  

Scapegoating also happens because narcissistic parents tend to be full of rage, jealousy and resentment, and they have to take it out on someone. Why? Because they aren't as high on the superiority ladder as they would like, ever, and I mean ever. They want to be so high to the point where everyone takes their orders and advice without question, all of the time, under any circumstance. It boils down to this: narcissistic parents want their children to cater to demands, all of the time, and children who aren't caterers to every demand aren't of much use to them, and the child gets the cold shoulder and is neglected.  

They don't look into why some children might not want to cater, or why those children might feel resistant to catering, or why a child might be defending themselves. The parent just gets into the habit of abusing, punishing and rejecting children who don't cater, which increases the chances that the child won't cater past childhood because the science on this says that the abuse, punishing and rejecting caused them to distrust the parent and the parent's intentions towards them. 

Scapegoating and benevolence are total opposites. And, as I've said before, awards are not benevolent actions in narcissistic families - they are a manipulation to keep a child in role, and are most often accompanied by punishments, coercion, hounding to submit, and other actions that don't work long term.

Do most narcissistic parents know the science on why scapegoat children don't become reliable sycophants? Not likely. Do they care about this fact? Not a bit unless they feel it might ruin their reputation, or create adverse outcomes in their illusory climb to superiority. 

They manipulate children to fit into these roles too. While some of it is based on personality, a lot of it is not. Usually they pick the more bootlicking child to be the golden child, and the more resistant-to-control to be the scapegoat, although family prejudices and proclivities play the biggest role in who gets scapegoated. Note: roles are usually decided when children are mere toddlers, so the personalities can change and the narcissist won't notice. They've decided who is who and what is what at a very early stage when the child is pre-verbal where the narcissistic parent feels entitled to fill in the gap as to what the child is feeling, when the personality is unsure and fluctuating, when day to day behaviors with toddlers are at their most unreliable in terms of being a predictor of future behavior. 

But don't narcissists change, and see the error of their ways in how they treat others? I mean, how can they justify this forever? Isn't that why I'm being asked to return to the family fold, and especially at Christmas, which is supposed to be a time of peace and making up?

Couldn't it ever be because they have seen the light?

CAN NARCISSISTIC PARENTS CHANGE,
AND WON'T THEY WANT TO STOP THE SCAPEGOATING AT SOME POINT,
KNOWING THAT IT ISN'T PARTICULARLY WORKING?

The answer to this question, is that narcissists can change, but do they really want to?

There are several roadblocks to change and the things I have mentioned are that they feel they need a scapegoat - to take the blame off of themselves, to give themselves the sense that they are never at fault for anything, to give themselves the vision of superiority, and to silence any and all members who aren't giving them that, and who are complaining that the narcissistic parent is cruel, unjust, abusive, and won't listen. If the parent has full blown Narcissistic Personality Disorder, they are highly likely to rage about any tiny thing that is not an ego stroke, where they feel they might be slighted or criticized, or where they might be called on to work out issues in the way most people do. They sit on their imaginary throne and wait for others to change and work out issues in their favor. When they don't get that, they rage. And rage, as we know, can turn into abuse and estrangement.

If they aren't willing to take any responsibility in their dealings with others, and they aren't sorry for scapegoating you and putting fault on you when it didn't belong there, then they probably only want you back to scapegoat you again, as there are many instances of shame they feel they cannot deal with without having a scapegoat to blame-shift it all on to.  

The reason why it might take years to invite you back is that they have probably been getting some satisfaction either by scapegoating someone else, or scapegoating you by proxy through false complaints, false gossip, telling others that you are "no good", smear campaigns, trying to bait you or "get your goat". If they scapegoat-by-proxy, most people around them get tired of this. Narcissists tend to be obsessed with hurting grown children they cannot control or manipulate, and people also grow more and more suspect when narcissists show they have contempt for their own child.

For most parents, raising children is about benevolence, self sacrifice, of insisting on the truth, of honest and sometimes herculean efforts to be emotionally regulated, of caring about their children's feelings and emotional health at all stages of life, of being fair even when they might be angry at a child, of being ethical and teaching ethics to their children. Narcissistic families don't raise children this way at all, quite the opposite, and they don't want to change the script because they feel they must scapegoat all of their parental failings on to one child, and sometimes their partner too.

"The reason I wasn't a good parent was because of my child" is the general message.  

So when they say goodbye to you and then decide they want you back for a big holiday event, if they can't take responsibility for what they have done, and they can't take responsibility for the way they have hurt you, is it worth it? Sometimes the invite is about trapping you, and abusing you until you give into them. Sometimes it might be an issue where they only have one child left, and they feel they can't risk losing that child too. And they know themselves enough to realize that disappointment is inevitable with that child too (children are actually not very good sources of narcissistic supply no matter what they do and how they act). Plus narcissists are never truly happy because they focus their attention on getting rewards predominantly. 

Disappointments can end up where they impulsively scapegoat, even when they don't want to. So both the parent and the only child left with a parent have a lot to lose without the original scapegoat present. However, the reasons behind wanting you back can be myriad. But more often than not (from reading forums from survivors) they try to get you back because they feel they need you in your old scapegoat role. 

Which is to say that they are not likely to change, even if they say they have changed, but there are also ways to tell if they have changed. I invite you to read on, as there are some definite signs to look for if you are wondering if they have truly changed, or if they are faking at changing: 

One of the most iron-clad ways that you can tell if they just want you in your old scapegoat role is if they show signs of contempt. The research on this originally came from John Gottman (another link), and many psychologists since him have run many experiments to discover that he was right.

I have also been doing some research on the psychology of hate, prejudice and resentment myself, and if a person is committed to hating and resenting certain individuals, or groups of people, and they have strong antagonistic traits like narcissism, they tend to get worse (spiraling down into more hatred and resentment) to the point where their hate becomes totally irrational, paranoid, and delusional. There is no more cognition applied in whether their stance on hating you is the right way for them to proceed. The hate becomes more visceral, automatic, impulsive and compulsive. 

In terms of hating their own child, there is also research that confirms that too much power can lead to more anti-social traits, including violence and corruption. Authoritarian types of power also block empathetic feelings  (another linkanother link, another link and another link). This especially becomes an issue with narcissistic parents because they are obsessed with getting more power, control and domination no matter how old you are, no matter how many grandchildren you have, no matter how much power the narcissistic parent already has.

Children who have become full adults don't need to be controlled or dominated on any level. The expectation that the older you get you are expected to give more and more control and power over to your parent is absolutely crazy-making! 

On empathy ... They are already so low on empathy. Do we want to give them more power so that they can become even more unempathetic, and more sadistic (sadism being the opposite of empathy)?

Narcissists tend to be put out by children and adult children who need empathy too. Narcissists also tend to scoff at children and adults who have been traumatized. They are very much into blaming victims and viewing them as weak and incompetent (another link). One form of this kind of thinking goes like this: "If you had been smarter, you would never have been disabled when the bomb fell on your town. You would have realized that you should have left the area long before the war started." What this means is that narcissists bypass empathy by telling you what you should have done, and what they would have done, competing with you about how their strategic mind is superior to your reactive mind, making it into a diatribe of "the intelligence it takes not to get hurt."

When we need empathy, this is just cold hearted. 

Narcissism is also often comorbid with Paranoid Personality Disorder. But even when narcissists don't have the extra personality disorder, hatred and contempt can lead them to be paranoid, with a desire to hurt others or to get rid of them, to relieve themselves of the paranoia they feel, especially in regards to their image and the reputation they are trying to build. In addition, narcissists also look for reassuring signs that they have a right to hate and hurt others, and that is where prejudice comes in: based on sex, sexual orientation, race, cultural differences and political differences, mainly, and things like the disenfranchised, the poor, the minorities, the elderly, the over-weight and the disabled secondarily. In other words, they will tend to think, "See? I was always right to hate this person, and to treat them badly." 

This happens even when it is built on the flimsiest "evidence": their own beliefs, their thoughts about what other people's thoughts are, assumptions, what they want to believe, fantasy perspectives,  convenience (targeting "powerless" targets), cultural or biological differences, and so on. 

And one of the things we find that helps them come to the conclusion that they should be committed to hating, hurting and being contemptuous in such a strong way, if not a powerful way, is that they become as equally committed to criticism. Because they tend to only want to find fault outside themselves, they decide that being highly critical and judgmental is necessary to prop up their own insecure ego, to gain power and control, to gain prominence, to get attention.

For adult children of narcissists:

The surest way to tell if they haven't changed, and want you back as their scapegoat is if they show signs of both contempt and criticism. It often manifests in these ways:

Unsolicited advice is criticism. 

Condescension, which can be constant, shows contempt. 

Rage over what you have to say about being hurt by them is a form of contempt and criticism. 

Verbal abuse is definitely a form of criticism. 

Other signs of contempt are listed below in the next section. 

HOW DID THEY GET THIS WAY
AND CAN YOU DO ANYTHING TO STOP IT? 

I have talked about how they probably used blame-shifting as a child, but what I did not mention was that narcissists tend to grow up in environments where extrinsic values greatly trumped intrinsic values when it came to other people, so they will base worth on another person much more in terms of extrinsic values than intrinsic values. And those extrinsic values tend to be money, wealth and prestige, and have to match what they expect from the people who have these extrinsic qualities. 

The problem for narcissists is that they have decided that showing and displaying contempt is one of the ways that they feel superior (superiority is delusional thinking, but to them it only matters that they "feel" superior). In other words, they feel they must be critical and judgmental of others a whole lot in order to feel better about themselves. Usually contempt, criticisms, and being judgmental are signs of insecurity, that they are afraid they will find themselves on the outside of acceptability instead of inside acceptability. In a way, it is like passing the buck, where the more insecure they feel about acceptability, the more critical and judgmental they become, and this also fuels the demise of what ever empathy they used to have for others (usually empathy begins its wane in early childhood). In fact, it has everything to do with why they lack empathy. 

I'll explain:

When they are contemptuous, and cruel, and parental figures are laughing about people a lot (trash-talking), and when they are building their hate on assumptions, and lack of empathy, it actually turns the most intelligent of us off, rather than turns us on. It's not enlightening; it's not pleasant; and it doesn't actually convince a lot of us that they are superior, the goal they have in acting this way. 

In more powerless individuals, like children, hyper-critical behavior tends to produce anxiety at the very least, or a trauma bond at worst. If it produces fawning and ingratiating, realize that the fawning response is a trauma response.

If a person is fawning totally voluntarily, without fear or anxiety, or from being pressured, it is different than fawning over being intimidated, bullied, threatened or coerced into it. Fawning is actually the response of last resort when it comes to trauma responses, and it creates situations and outcomes that the narcissist doesn't like (which I will discuss in a future post).

If scapegoats aren't using trauma responses like defending themselves, or fawning, they can blank out when being criticized. I think the artwork I did in this piece explains how a scapegoat child can feel overwhelmed by criticism, so his mind shuts down. He might feel incredibly hurt as the art work shows, but cognitively he can't comprehend the hate unless he hates himself as much as the parent does. And some children get talked into hating themselves, and they can and do commit suicide over it too.

If you are a scapegoat, you know that the criticisms can overwhelm your entire autonomic nervous system because the criticisms from narcissists are often on all levels: your body, your mind, your interests, your personality, your emotions, your thinking, your perspectives, your experiences, the way you express yourself, the clothes you wear, the way you present yourself in public, how well you perform expectations, your sex, how much flattery you give narcissists - just about everything that you are, do and say, is met with criticism and contempt. When a child who is being criticized is blanking out and has that wide-eyed deer-in-the-headlights stare, they most likely have C-PTSD, and it is time to stop the contempt. But narcissists don't do that; they find him or her useless for not hearing anything, and continue to throw more criticism at the child for not responding to the original criticisms. Eventually when narcissists only get a PTSD stare, they neglect the child when underage, or banish when adult. 

At any rate, to insist that children fawn to abuse is to damn them to be in a prison of continued traumatization, whether that is conscious on the narcissist's part or not. Most narcissists are conscious enough to know that their scapegoat is hurt, grieving, and in pain, and that lots of pressure and bullying to "make them fawn" causes him or her a lot of anxiety. 

If I was betting, I would bet that narcissists know that they traumatize their children, otherwise why put on acts in public that they adore their children and care about them when they do not? Why spread lies and make up stories about their scapegoated children? 

HOW NARCISSISTIC CONTEMPT IS EXPRESSED 

I have already pointed out criticism. Usually scapegoated children are criticized in the extreme. Most narcissists criticize their scapegoats directly, and the remaining ones criticize their scapegoats behind their backs in a two-faced kind of way. All of it is destructive, and it is also part of the personality disorder of narcissism.

Any kind of destructive behavior towards their child's self esteem means contempt, that they don't like and love you the way that you are. Again, they only put extrinsic value in other people, whereas the rest of us put intrinsic value in others (it is why the rest of us take care of disadvantaged, disabled family members - narcissists would balk at doing that, and try to get the disadvantaged and disabled serving them instead, or they would just throw them away). 

A narcissistic parent will try to make the argument that a scapegoat child doesn't act right; that they don't dress right; that they don't look right; that they are too fat or skinny; that they are psychologically inept or damaged; that they are emotionally insane; that they are inept in terms of career and career goals. That's all part of what narcissists are up to, and what they do, and if you are a scapegoat, you are very aware that you've been treated this way most of your life. 

If you have been successful in love and career, and if they extend an invite, consider that the reason for it might be that they don't want you to be successful, that it will "ruin" their plans for you being the family scapegoat, and "ruin" what they have said about you, and therefor "ruin" the perception others have of you of being crazy or inept. Success mars their abilities to scapegoat effectively.

These are other ways they show contempt:

They get on their high horse and compare you to them (it sounds and is similar to what I've said in the previous chapter above, except it is about comparing themselves to you).
     What it can sound initially like:
"You can't say anything right",  "You can't do anything right", "Your mind and feelings are all wrong",  "You're too sensitive",  "You're crazy",  "I can't stand you", "You can't even dress right", "You'll never amount to anything", followed by: "I never had bad grades like you", "I had a lot more boyfriends at your age than you do", "I was always loved by my parents. It's too bad you aren't", "I never had zits. It's too bad you have so many of them", "I never was overweight, but you've spent most of your life being that way", "I was always well behaved. It's too bad you aren't good at it the way I was because you'd be a lot more liked if you did", "You have ratty hair. When I as a child, I never did and as a consequence, I could decide when I could get my hair cut, but you can't, so I'm going to cut your hair whether you like it or not", "I won so many awards! What have you won?", and so on. They will always deem a scapegoat to be quite a bit inferior to themselves, and even to almost everyone they know.

They also show contempt by comparing you to your siblings and other children, starting when you were very young.
     What it can sound like:
      "How come you can't do as well as Carl? Why can't you be as nice as Carl? I love Carl more than you, and I always have. I'm sorry I favor Carl, but he's a lot better at everything than you are. Carl was an easy child, and you were always difficult. Carl always knew I had his best interests at heart, but you always had to question it. Carl has always trusted me, but of course, he knows I'm trustworthy. He was always the sane one in the family, but your mind was always too messed up to realize I was always a model parent. What's wrong with you!?" - in fact, if they are still playing favorites with their children, and they are comparing you unfavorably, they still want to scapegoat you. 

Any gaslighting is the sign that they have contempt for the way you perceive things. Gaslighting is usually a sign of scapegoating. They want to dictate how you think, and what you should be thinking about and perceiving instead. It shows that they have no respect for the way that you think, or the way you experience things. It's also a nasty mind game. If gaslighting doesn't show a lot of contempt, I don't know what does.

If and when a family member insults you, abuses you, or assaults you, and they tell you that they don't want to hear it, or that you should deal with it on your own and in silence, it is a sign that they don't care about you. Narcissists generally discard scapegoats who complain about a family member's abuse and violence because they are afraid it will tarnish their image as the most superior upstanding parent. So the scapegoating becomes a must for them, more severe, more about portraying you as a villain.

If they advocate for your abuser and do not try to protect you, they probably prefer that others use you as a scapegoat too. Very few scapegoating parents protect their scapegoat child from any kind or form of abuse, because it would mean looking too carefully in the mirror at their own abuse. 

Another way they show contempt is that they eventually, after decades of scapegoating, disregard all of your feelings, thoughts, life issues, medical issues, and generally do not care to hear what you think at all, or how anything effects you. They do not show any respect towards you. When it gets to these extremes, they do not listen to what you have to say about much of anything. In other words, you will feel like you are talking to a brick wall. It can get to the point where they don't respect your boundaries, what you want and don't want from them (which can lead to invasive actions against you to prove they won't respect your boundaries regardless of what you want, like stealing, stalking, talking over you, pushing you around, kidnapping, imprisoning, physical abuse, home invasion, kidnapping, and so on). Usually when the contempt gets to the point of breaking boundaries and breaking the law, they have entered into a more anti-social personality disordered way of scapegoating (as I talked about above, where their power has caused such a degree of a lack of empathy, they can get to a point of justifying committing crimes against you). Once it has gotten to the point where they are indulging in criminal behavior, whether they still want to scapegoat you or not, should probably not concern you as much as your safety. 

the attitudes of contempt:

They have no interest in understanding you. They decide you are inferior, a second class citizen, and that they don't need to know you.

They feel they deserve good treatment from you (respect, honor, civility, praise), but don't treat you, their scapegoat child, this way by a long shot. In fact, they have the attitude that they deserve these entitlements/hypocrisies from all children, without realizing that showing a child respect, honor and civility is a more teachable moment than rattling off a bunch of rules that they cannot, and will not, follow themselves. It makes situations fake, and phony, where some children will adopt a "false self", including "fake-fawning" to narcissists and other people who they deem to have more power than they do, and talking derisively behind their back. 

They blame you in entirety for their hatred and anger towards you (we see this a lot in the prejudiced mind too).

They decide they don't need to invest in anything you want, or feel, or think (they come to believe that only their own thoughts, perspectives, and feelings are all that matter because to them, and it is all that matters to them most of the time). 

Lack of civility is always a sign of contempt. 

So is verbal abuse.

CONCLUSION

If they still want power, control and domination, they will probably still be scapegoating you.

If they can't take any blame, or they are trying to shift fault on to others, or they are engaging in talk about the faults and flaws of others, they are showing that they still need scapegoats.  

If they show a lot of contempt (even if it isn't you right away), they are still engaged in their "superior" fantasies, and blame-shifting and scapegoating is all part of it. 

Narcissists have tremendous hurdles in giving up scapegoating.

They would have to stop gaslighting, first and foremost, and they would have to stop being contemptuous of others (i.e. stop the trash-talking).

They would have to grow some ethics and empathy, and what chance is there of that?

They would also have to apologize for once in their lives instead of expecting others to do it every time there are issues, and what chance is there of that?

And they'd have to share the power instead of hoarding it all for themselves and telling people what to do and where to get off if others don't do what the narcissist wants, and what chance is there of that?

If you are tired of all of the narcissist's power games, and lust for power, and their manipulations to get more and more power, and trying to get them to talk to you in a respectful manner while they commit to threats and blackmail to get more power over you while trying to make you more and more powerless at the same time, even when it comes to your decisions about your own life, career, and relationships, then don't give them any more power. Be one of the individuals that cuts their destructive-to-everyone ambition off.

The reason they don't apologize is because not only do they not care about your feelings, they see apologies as weakness. For them it sets them back into not being the most superior faultless person on earth, and they feel they may be more vulnerable to being looked at as the same kind of faulty person that they make fun of. Remember, they've lied their entire lives, starting in childhood, keeping the faults going outward away from them, dumping them on to someone else, instead of inward.

In fact it is such a huge hurdle that they would have to give up on narcissism altogether, and be compromising and reasonable, and what chance is there of that?  

All of this is why psychologists prefer that their patients have as little to do with narcissists as is humanly possible, and especially if you are their scapegoat and have trauma symptoms or full blown PTSD. If it's obvious that they don't care about you emotionally and medically, or want to help you with your PTSD instead of making it worse, what does that say about them?  

WHO INSPIRED ME TO WRITE THIS POST

John Gottman's findings and research on contempt and how it effects the hater as well as the hated is probably the most profound inspiration for writing this post second to the many survivors who wonder if they should return to their parents after years of estrangement and a childhood as a scapegoat. 

Dr. Les Carter's video, The Sign That a Narcissist is Beyond Redemption says a lot of the same things I have said here. He also mentions John Gottman. 

My own research into the psychology of hate, prejudice and resentment played a big part in this post too, as well as research into how power corrupts and reduces empathy, sometimes to the point that they become antisocial personality disordered. There is a great piece you can read from PBS called The science behind why power corrupts and what can be done to mitigate it. It is an interview with Dacher Keltner and his research for his book called "The Power Paradox: How We Gain and Lose Influence" and it reveals these details:

Shoplifting is usually done by the wealthiest Americans, not the poorest. When given too much power, people become more unethical and think it is okay to be unethical. People with more power than those around them are more likely to stereotype. People with more power than those around them tend to stop caring about others. People with more power than those around them tend to try to broker deals that benefit them much more than the other person. People with more power than those around them tend to become much more greedy, unfair and to take a lot more resources from others than is respectful, right or fair. People with more power than those around them tend to be more exploitive. People with more power than those around them assume they can touch people any way they want without asking permission. Undoubtedly there is a lot more to explore in the actual book than in the PBS article, but the article gives you some idea of what is discussed in the book.

It also seems to explain so much about why our society seems to be getting more and more swamped by narcissistic "I-don't-care" unempathetic parenting styles and the kids who parrot them, why we seem to have approached another Gilded Age of wealth disparity where the have-nots are rarely listened to, or heard, or cared about, until it is time to vote again where politicians make the next future faking statements.

And it explains something that I had wondered about for a long time: someone who was quite wealthy in my own personal life got obsessed with stealing, hiding things, hoarding, taking way more than their fair share, and probably even breaking the law to do it. They were totally negotiation adverse too - they would just take and get "dupers delight", and a following high from it. Until I studied Antisocial Personality Disorder, and knew about the psychological impacts of gaining power over others, it made very little sense to me. 

I will have some more research articles to share with you in the post entitled "How Being Exposed to Shaming, Erroneous Blaming, Perspecticide, Gaslighting, and Most of All Fawning, Can Create Narcissism in a Child, Plus a Tease About a Personal Story". It would be redundant to list them here. 

Have a happy holiday, and don't let narcissists ruin it. 

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  1. I was a scapegoat of my mother, sister and brother, and I went back to the family twice. I must have been stupid, but I also went back in good faith. And it's true that they make up stuff about you to scapegoat you again. If the parent doesn't do it first, the siblings abuse you first, and then tell the parent lies, and then the parent starts scapegoating you too.
    After going through an excrutiating amount of pain, and a long time of recovery, I'm so far away from it that they seem like characters from another time. We've resolved that they never want to see me again, and because of the pain and suicide attempts I went through, I never want to see them again either.
    This blog and others tell the tales of the evils they do as a warning that I wish I had known about before I attemped a return, but I'm eternally grateful for the knowledge now.

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    1. Thank you for your story. Scapegoats go through so much, but many of them eventually emerge into a kind of peace they never had before. I hope you are at that point.
      I had just published this post today, and I'm surprised to get a comment so soon, so I thank you for taking the time to send me and other readers your experiences and thoughts. Don't call yourself stupid though. We all get tricked at some point by narcissists, as well as thrown under the bus by siblings.

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    2. Thanks! Usually when I leave comments on blogs, I don't get a response.
      I am at peace, but sometimes my mind wanders back to why was scapegoating me so necessary for them. I understand what you are saying, that they need a scapegoat to take the fault off of themselves. I understand the siblings point of view to get you out of the family to get resources, but I don't understand a parent doing it. What do they get out of it emotionally and practically? Like why take the trouble to raise a child they plan on rejecting? I saw the rejecting as young as seven years old. My mother was no longer interested in me by then and went through the motions of minimally taking care of me but resenting it the whole time. I was a quiet child, but I admit to defending myself loudly when I was being accused of things I didn't do, at least until I was in high school. By high school I felt depressed, suicidal and emotionally shut down. So, I was wondering if you would ever do a post on what narcissists think are the emotional benefits to them of rejecting their child?
      Also I was wondering if you would ever do a post on adult sibling bullying. I saw the posts you did on child sibling bullying, but what do grown siblings get out of bullying other than more resources? Like is that the only reason they bully or is there more to it?
      Thanks for responding.

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    3. I'm not sure a parent gets anything out of scapegoating a child in the long term. Most scapegoats are hated and resented in childhood, then in adulthood they are resented when they refuse to be used for family blame, and when they balk at being used in that way, they are either banished or the scapegoat leaves of their own accord. I'll look into if there is any more to say other than that, but I think that more or less wraps up what a parent gets out of it: estrangement and a child who doesn't trust their parent at all. If I find a scapegoat of a narcissistic parent where the outcome is different, I'll look into writing a post.

      I do want to go beyond writing about narcissism after I get several deep-dive posts published because it brings me down. I'm at a really good place in my life, and I don't really want to be thinking about narcissism any more. I'd rather be talking about scapegoats instead, for instance, many of whom have very, very similar traits, professions, style of dress, type of empathy, similar politics, similar home decor, similar ethics and morals ... just like narcissists are all so very similar, their scapegoats all have incredible similarities too, maybe even more so than the narcissists, proving that upbringing has a huge influence even on things like dress and profession. Very enlightening and not a swamped topic like narcissism.

      I felt compelled to research and discuss narcissism to warn and enlighten, but that was before such incredibly wise and dedicated psychologists started talking about it in a big way. Dr. Ramani Durvasula and Dr. Les Carter are the pioneers in getting out information on the topic, even if they are no longer in the lab running experiments and doing scientific research. They are the much needed voices that could begin a kind of new age of enlightenment for the public.

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    4. Thank you for your response!
      I think my sister has antisocial personality disorder. She killed my cat wen I was a child, then told my parents that I killed it. I asked my parents why would I kill my own cat? I loved that cat and it slept with me every night. But they wouldn't listen to me and I got a beating over it. I was grieving about my cat, angry that my sister had done this to me, and she kept doing it to me. My father figured her out, but my mother took her side every time, so then my two parents would fight over who was at fault, me or my sister. My mother eventually divorced my father and I was stuck with her for two more miserable years until I could live with my father. My sister took advantage of torturing me more, and my brother who hadn't tortured me that much, began to be part of her games of entrapment and torture.
      I think if I was a contender in my mother's will, which I'm not, my sister would be trying to get me out of it. She has most of the qualities you listed including being a total kiss up, but mostly evil otherwise.

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    5. This sounds so common. The sister literally gets away with murder, the narcissistic mother with her black and white thinking chooses the sister every time without considering anything else, the parents fight over which child is at fault, the narcissistic parent can't stand to be challenged (most narcissists can't stand anything other than being in control and calling absolutely all of the shots), and discards your father, and you are exposed to much more abuse because no one is advocating for you any more. I'm so sorry.
      Killing the cat is also a sign of conduct disorder - another classic.
      No child should be exposed to this.
      Thank you for writing your story. It's a common one, but it also shows the need for much better child protection, better laws, better reporting by mandated reporters, and much healthier possibilities for children in circumstances like yours.
      I'm hoping child advocates see this.

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    6. One thing that I'm wondering. Is it that the parent doesn't care about what happens to their scapegoat, or is that they don't want to hear what you have to say? It seems like they are willfully blind to what happens to us, but I don't know.
      I apologize for taking up so much of your time, but I'm not understanding this.
      You implied that the power goes to their head, and they lose empathy that way. It really seems like they don't listen either. Or are they listening but just don't care?

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    7. Let me explain it this way:
      Narcissists rarely choose to go to therapy, but sometimes they are mandated to go in situations like yours (these days).
      And what family therapists often report is that narcissists have selective hearing. If their children are fighting, they become disengaged - they aren't interested in what is going on, and they feel inconvenienced and bothered if they are called upon to care. If they hear things like, "Mom loves me more than you!" then they become interested. It's what is called ego-centric listening. They listen to what ever they think will effect them. Obviously if one kid is committing murder against another child's pet, and then torturing that child more because Mom or Dad aren't doing anything to stop the violence, that will impact the parent sooner or later. But at the time it is happening, the parent doesn't care, and they don't listen.
      When you are an adult, this dynamic doesn't change. They refuse to listen.
      So one can see that they perk up over narcissistic supply, and disengage when the conversation isn't about that - they fall back on decisions they've always made: the scapegoat is all at fault and must be punished, and the favorite one is in the right, at least in their mind.
      But that's not the only thing at work.
      A lot of narcissists believe they know what people think, feel and do, and that comes from arrogance. It also comes from growing up with at least one family member in their childhood environment who lied a lot. So they felt they had to look between the lies, and decipher lies, in order to survive their environment. But to get back to the arrogance ... the power they feel goes to their head and they believe they are right about everything. They stubbornly believe they are mind-readers, that they can tell that people lie, and won't take no for an answer on that. It's a delusion, similar to a Dunning-Kruger effect. What makes this a stubborn belief is that if the child doesn't go along with the parent and their self-appointed mind reading role, is that the child can be, and is often tortured. Narcissistic parents feel so powerful, that they feel they are in charge of telling their children what they feel and think. They can also hound, punish, ostracize, and blackmail children who don't go along with a parent's false narrative for long periods of time. The scapegoat child is being forced to admit under torture to things they never did, thought or said.
      If you've ever wondered why narcissists live in a fantasy world, these are the reasons why.
      The empathy and listening is not there for the scapegoat because beliefs have taken precedence. We see this in the prejudiced mind too. People have a belief about a group of people, that the group is to blame for why they don't have jobs, or they aren't getting the usual preference (being seated at the front of the bus, being the first to be accepted to a university, and so on), so they blame these things on the group and decide they need to be tortured over it. As I said, the cognition goes out of their decisions, and this is what happens to scapegoated children too.
      Even if a therapist is in the room telling the parent that their child is not all-at-fault for everything in the family, the parent is more likely than not, to insist on it. Also narcissistic parents feel they need to have a scapegoat to be "the blame trash can" that the family can use so that they appear blameless.
      A family who has a scapegoat child is a red flag to authorities in child welfare and mandated reporters (these days), and it is likely that the child will be removed from the home, and either placed with a relative or foster care.
      So the answer to your question is that the narcissistic parent does both: they don't listen, and they don't care.

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    8. Thank you so much for this! It is the first time I have felt lucky for being out of my family! Really free and lucky, with a huge weight off my back! I felt so depressed for years. I knew these facts internally I think, but not enough apparently until they were spelled out by you.
      Knowledge really is power.

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    9. Yes. Enjoy it!

      "Knowledge is power" - that's why I thought I needed to start the blog.

      My first introduction to the psychology of mass scapegoating in families came from weekly trips to Alanon. Alcoholic families are usually riddled with such things as inebriated and/or alcoholic black-out incest, violence, dangerous driving, and getting arrested for DWI, indecent exposure at the local bar, car wrecks, urination in public places, loss of jobs, or the alcoholic is at stage 3 where they are throwing up all of the time, bed ridden, where their loose stools are making a living environment gross and unhealthy to live in for other members. The scapegoats are often the ones who either don't want to live that way, or can't without ruining their own lives. A lot of them get kicked out of their families for not taking care of the alcoholic, but even more of them leave of their own accord. They are often shamed for not looking at it as a disease that can be cured with enough time, or the alcoholic is an adored loved one that they feel they need to help in a herculean way. It's all admirable and it's all empathetic. But how they view the disease is not realistic ...

      The family can have reactions such as contempt for members who feel too stressed where their own lives are unraveling, such as being so distracted by the alcoholism and caretaking of the alcoholic, that they can no longer function at their job or as a main bread-winner, or a mother or a father to their kids, or a caretaker to an elderly parent. Or one of their kids is getting sexually abused by one of the inebriated family members.

      When you are in Alanon, you realize that a lot of people are living without their families. And there may be some Alanon people you really connect with, and they become your new "family of choice".

      There is a saying in Alanon about the alcoholic, and the enabling alcoholic family: "I didn't cause it, and I can't cure it." The alcoholic isn't drinking because of you, and the family contempt is often about a lot of enabling, sending the alcoholic into endless rehabs, and detoxes, and buying new cars when they've crashed the next car, and getting money together to bail them out of jail ... and it can be endless. Other family members are likely to drop out after awhile too if the alcoholic keeps going off and on the wagon year after year, and they are getting worse and worse, and there are more dire issues that arise like they commit vehicular manslaughter while driving intoxicated. The fact that you are not part of the enabling bunch means, to them, you are cold hearted, not part of helping the much-loved family alcoholic cure his disease (but the disease can't be cured by anyone but the alcoholic - any counselor who specializes in alcoholic families will tell you that, and enabling is often keeping the alcoholic from curing his own disease, even if the alcoholic is telling you that he's drinking because of you - that's where the original scapegoating comes in, and it's also why scapegoats leave the family, so they aren't blamed for someone else's drinking).

      With narcissistic families, the same applies: "I didn't cause their narcissism and their need for a scapegoat, and I can't cure it."

      If the alcoholic family needs a scapegoat, and the narcissistic family needs a scapegoat, any of us can be resolved in the fact that it's not going to be us any more.

      We are free to choose our own path. So enjoy your life.

      Now I'm off to get the house decorated and cleaned up for the holidays! Happy holidays to you and yours!

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    10. Happy holidays to you too! And thank you for your thoughts on this!

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  2. I can relate to these comments! Narcissistic parents I think make your siblings evil on purpose!

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    1. Maybe the more malignant brand of narcissists.
      With the others I really think it is a matter of the narcissist's black and white thinking, ego centric thinking, power and control agendas, and using children as narcissistic supply that defaults to some children getting away with evil behaviors. They really aren't noticing behavior and perhaps could care less who is good or evil; they are primarily concerned with how much supply they are getting.

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  3. How very apropos. Just recovering from my own experience with family during the holiday. I hosted and prepped all week before hand; cleaning, preparing the food for a dozen - while also caring for an ailing parent, and running a couple of businesses for the other one. No one helped or even considered offering to host given my extra burdens this year. It was just expected that I continue to do all this while they show up and have a good time. What surprised me most was the resurgence of my designated "role" within the family despite all that I have done to counter that view. All of my responsibilities, my work, my self-sacrificing service to this family, especially to their parents. I suppose resurgence isn't the appropriate term. Rather, what surprises me is how the narrative held in their minds is so firmly entrenched and never dies, not even with time.

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  4. Even the brother that is usually so kind, considerate, calm, and intelligent, as "level-headed" as they come, blamed me for my father's irritability and aggression at this holiday's get together. Which of course, my father couldn't help leaking out these toxic attributes despite his best efforts (albeit at a greatly reduced rate due to presense of company). When he became bullying, contrary for the sake of being contrary, expressing obviously false statements about a family member that wasn't present - I stated the truth. I suppose this was viewed as "correcting" him; but it was merely stating a fact. This set him off. He kept repeating the falsehood, doubling down, getting angrier. My "good" brother frowned and scolded me for daring to state the obvious- that he was mistaken about the identity of the family member he'd pinpointed to ridicule. I simply pointed out that that wasn't person A, and pointed to the correct individual in the photo he'd misidentified as someone else. My brother later told me that our father was like a volcano, that I was setting him off, and that it was late. He frowned at me. As if he wasn't snapping and raging at me at all hours of the day. As if time was the reason for his volcanic attitude. And me. He blamed his surly attitude on everything but the man himself. This is a pattern. He visits so rarely, interacts with us so rarely, but whenever he visits and my father invariably is grumpy, aggressive, threatening to explode...my brother blames me for setting him off. Never the man himself. Yes, this time I corrected him when he was telling a story and misidentified his antagonist. However, 99% of the time I am doing nothing but existing. Being a long suffering servant. When even my "good" brother holds me accountable for his parent's disgruntled behavior, what hope is there? This is by no means an unconscious man. He's smart, observant, a writer. True, he only sees his father twice a year, when he is behaving at his best, projecting a charming, in control, composed demeanor with just little bits of aggression leaking here and there (none of the usual daily tantrums are displayed) and my brother sees me only twice a year: an exhausted, tormented, flustered mess. Because he doesn't see all that was dumped onto me before and after his brief visits. He only sees the bests parts of the parent; and the results of that parents behavior cling to me like a heavy aura. I may not appear a successful, busy, responsible, hard working multitasker; perhaps I simply appear exhausted. And the overlay of ineptitude and ingratitude is exchanged from my father and overlayed onto me. I'm guessing. I certainly feel exhausted. What do they see in me that makes them SWITCH attributes that belong to my parent and ascribe them to me? Even in the face of obvious bullying, lying, disgruntled behavior directed at me...somehow I am the one the brother scolds and frowns at. Sometimes he softens the scolding after the fact: "I just felt he was a volcano" " It was late, he was tired, you shouldn't have said anything." "You should have just let him keep telling it, regardless." "Don't speak. It doesn't matter that you were right; he's just tired, that's all. You should know better."

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  5. Even the good ones in the family ask you to keep silent, to just let lies fly, to not speak at all because you never know what will set him off. If you do speak, then it's your fault for bringing out their wrath. You're at fault for their bad behavior and toxic moods.

    The rest of the family is extremely happy, free of burdens, and feel fabulous about themselves. I'll give them that. It's all about having a good time for them. As long as the scapegoat takes the collective dumping, all the responsabilities, they're flying high and unencumbered. It amazes me that they're is never a sense of guilt on their part, or even a duty to occasionally help out? If not sharing the burdens of their parents emotional/pesonality disorders, than at least helping with their medical care. Contributing in some small way.

    Way more miffed by the enablers, than the cluster b parents, boss, etc because they should KNOW better. Or at least have the capacity to know better. Yet, they insist the dysfunction play out more so than the original head cluster b. The group is the problem. Same thing for enabling politicians in a certain country. Same pattern. The problem and the cure rests in the enabling, bystanding, scapegoating group. Whether it be within a family, the senate, a country. It's the collective group dynamics of self-centerness and complicity that are the real problem.

    A question for another time is what happens to the scapegoat after they leave the disfunctional family? I've read that they may pick another family member to substitute for the role. However, I doubt this. Just from my experience, the group's long held imprinting onto a particular scapegoat for all their dysfunction, disdain, everything they haven't wanted to face or recken with or be resposible for--they've invested too much of themselves, their belief system, the group cohestion and identity, to course correct. Or to pick a new scapegoat, imo. I think leaving presents additional dangers. Such as increased gossip, smear campaigns -and one is no longer there to dampen the damage or even to know what they're plotting. Will they cut you out of the will? Go after your job? Try to get you fired? Even if you've moved to another state? Oh, I think the answer to that is yes. To believe that they'd simply move on, or select someone else to pick on, is I believe, naïve. At any rate, that's my fear. I think it's a rational one. I think totally cutting ties puts one at greater disadvantage and risk of harm: financially, socially, perhaps physically. What's the most dangerous time for an abused wife/gf? When she attempts to leave. I don't see why that's different for a family member, a child, a sibling, who leaves when there is long standing group bullying, false narratives deeply held by a group. It can be worse than a woman domestically abused by one single man. What happens when a country attempts to become more independent? Does the controlling country just say "Oh, well" and move on to pick on a different smaller country? No, they try to control even harder. If the target won't get in line, the bigger country won't mind destroying it in order to maintain a sense of control, will they? And they'll still tell themselves a story about how righteous they are and how "bad" the country they're trying to oppress is. The problem with leaving a scapegoating family is that you're cutting ties may trigger them from simply controlling you to destroying you..and you're no longer there to put out the fires they start. You may not even know what fires they've started behind your back. It's just left to rage. Little fires become big uncontrollable ones. While you're blind to their goings on until its too late.

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    1. A question. Wouldn't not speaking up about lies about someone not present add to the unethical fog already present in a family like this?

      Isn't silence condoning?

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    2. Besides mental and physical health, that is the other dilemma. Martin Luther King talks about "the appalling silence of the good people" in his speeches.

      But here is the thing ... you don't go into a hive of stinging bees to talk to the bees about not stinging you. You either avoid the hive, or you let a bee-keeper take care of it, or you spray it at night (in other words, it is taken care of from the outside).
      Justice is always very hard to take care of from the inside. It mostly gets taken care of from the outside.

      The scapegoat finds all kinds of ethical dilemmas inside the family. Not only are they supposed to stay silent about lies, but a host of so many other things. Sometimes the issue is whether you'll take care of a family full of criminals, extra-marital cheaters, chronic threaten-ers, people who leave children out of a will for evil reasons, and so on. Is it ethical to even be around people like this, especially if they insist that you give up more of your dignity (including your own ethics) for their insatiable needs for power and control, and treat you more and more like dirt under their already dirty feet for having done so?

      Often ethics becomes the other reason why scapegoats leave.

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    3. You still have not answered my question. You talked about it as a dilemma of ethics. The question is: should you just let a lie about someone ride without saying something in a family like this?

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    4. I don't give advice on issues like this. I research topics. I have access to survivors who talk about their experiences and I have a general sense of how things go for scapegoats of these kinds of families. Other things I research: what the mental health community advises when it comes to the tactics of narcissistic families, present laws, present policies in reporting, professional papers (the health and mental health ramifications of being in a narcissistic family), and so on.

      So, I will try to answer the question this way:

      It is common for narcissistic families to make a lot of attempts to silence a scapegoat. Silencing is bad for children (including grown children) on so many levels. It can become an issue of "the more I say, the more they try to silence me."

      Obviously living in a lot of lies is unhealthy, and trying to keep things in perspective like telling the truth is not a bad thing. There is a saying that scapegoats are "the canaries in the coal mine" - they tweet the warnings of going too far into lies, abuse, conspiracy theories, illegal or immoral activities, etc.

      But some members feel really trapped in these families - over things that were mentioned. Leaving might produce: "increased gossip, smear campaigns -and one is no longer there to dampen the damage or even to know what they're plotting. Will they cut you out of the will? Go after your job? Try to get you fired? Even if you've moved to another state? Oh, I think the answer to that is yes."

      Those things are very common, and there is a lot to worry about. So survival and safety comes first.

      The thing is, because bullying escalates, I think it is always wise for scapegoats to have a good escape plan, where they can get out immediately if they have to, and find ways to create enough alone time so that they can give some thoughts to it, and to spend more time in other relationships, if at all possible, that are more steady and where there is empathy.

      Scapegoats are usually starved of empathy in their role.

      Narcissistic families for scapegoats are demoralizing, exhausting, starved of common human necessities like politeness, respect, real love, empathy, an equal voice, and autonomous decision-making about one's own life.

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  6. Happy holidays, everyone :) You see my little family reunion sent me into wary reflection on the state of humanity. As far as I can tell, this is nothing new, and there are no solutions. Short of becoming a reclusive hermit or becoming insanely wealthy, there's no way to avoid ineracting with groups of people. There are decent individuals here and there, but groups corrupt and bring out the worst, even in them. Perhaps this is only true in patriarchal societies. But let's face it, that's the world we live in. Which is defined by hierarchies of dominance; one group ascends only by taking from another. A scramble for dominance, no matter how it's disguised or what pleasant stories we tell each other in order to justify it all.

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    1. Thank you for your comments and stories. I hope what you portray here helps other survivors know that they aren't alone.

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  7. I find that what is going on in the comments section is more useful than the post. I like the idea of making excuses. I also have done so much for my family, 1000 percent more of the drudgery, babysitting, hosting, meal-making, traveling, you name it.
    If I went no contact with my N father, they'd blackball me to their kids after decades of doing an extraordinary amount of babysitting of those same kids.
    They think that because I'm the only woman in the family besides my long suffering mother and unmarried, that I'm duty bound to them whether I have a life of my own or not, and have nothing worthwhile to say, and have nothing worthwhile to do other than to serve them and their kids, and am a convenient target for blame if I dare to raise any concern at all at the way other members are treated, particularly the young girls of the family, and of me. Even my brothers wives get more consideration than I do.
    The family has to keep up appearances with those wives so they don't reveal the obvious cracks to their own families.
    It's like they are saying "Be the pink cloud that only appears when we want to be served. Otherwise don't talk."
    I think I'll start making some excuses next year when the holidays come around. I'm not crazy about leaving my mother to all of their demands, but I want to see what the reaction is. Will they train all of the little girls to take my place, little serving angels? Or will they rely on my beaten down mother who is incapable of serving them? Will they step in to help her, or join in with my father on browbeating her? Will they hire a catering service?
    It could be a good little experiment.
    It will be my first vacation from being the usual demoralized holiday scapegoat.

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    1. A lot of scapegoats get to the point where they want to shake up the role, and it sounds like you're ready to do it.
      Happy New Year!

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  8. Looking over the post and all of the comments again, I just realized that a narcissistic parent does not know any of us scapegoats, do they?

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    1. As I walked away, some other thoughts that came to mind besides the obvious (adult children need to do things in their own way), I remembered a quote from "Be Here Now" written by Ram Das. He tells what his spiritual teacher taught him: "When a pickpocket meets a saint, he sees only his pockets."
      Very profound and it can be interpreted in so many ways.

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  9. Hi Lise I expect my father to be volcanic, heated - a brick wall, as you say. However, it was disheartening to experience my brother holding me responsible for our father's outbursts, tantrums, and attitudes. To see my level headed brother be heated toward me. Our father's inability to control himself, becomes my fault. All I did was correctly identify a family member, and I have one rageful male insulting me, snipping at me for being "wrong. crazy. ridiculous. stupid." While the other male is frowning and heatedly waving and mouthing at me not to speak. I just wasn't expecting such heat from the brother. His attitude is that I shouldn't speak. That I am to blame for his father's volcanic personality. My mother is bipolar and bpd, refused to take her medications, and my father would blame me for her long term emotional volatility. She'd be slapping me, hurling dishes, calling me every filthy name in the book, then 30 minutes later act like she never did any of it. My father would smile and say I bring it out of her. He never helped. He actually ENJOYED the drama. He liked to provoke her, then laugh. In this family, everyone blamed me for the parents disordered behavior. The only exception was my lovely grandmother. I understand why the cluster bs blame shift. I understand why siblings share in the scapegoating as children. I don't entirely grasp why it continues once they become adults. Not with the non-disordered ones. Why is it their instinct as well to blame someone else for the aggressive, obnoxious behavior of another? If they feel the need to scold someone, why not the aggressor? Why not the one having a fit? The one lying? I understand not wanting to go up against the parent, the boss, the one in power. Fine. Do nothing. Stay silent. Stay surface. But then, why redirect negative scolding admonishment to the innocent? I wish I had the power to control their abusive outbursts, but I don't. I am not responsible for his behavior. Why does the family keep insisting that I am? Why does society blame the victim? Expanding out- rapists always blame the victim. And why does a large segment of society go along with that attitude? They don't all have a personality disorder. They have eyes and ears. Yet they go along with it. Why? If they don't want to help the victim or intervene, fine. But why go the extra mile and blame and shame them for acts that the abuser should be accountable for? This seems like a big human problem. Not just a my- little- dysfunctional- family problem. Also, if we are wise to be silent, not ourselves, in order to avoid the wrath of the beehive, is the conclusion then that if we're smart we should all be enablers and flying monkeys while with dysfunctional people? Did these folks have it right all along?

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    1. First, my condolences to you. That's a lot to live through.
      When Dr. Ramani Durvasula talks about the percentage of narcissists among the U.S. population, she puts it at 10 percent, and 15 percent in the larger more prosperous cities. 3 percent are diagnosed with the disorder, but that doesn't cover the undiagnosed. Most narcissists and sociopaths do not go to therapy.
      So it is a huge societal issue, and some countries may have much higher rates of narcissism. Russia comes to mind because they have one of the highest rates of domestic violence and child abuse, and the most lenient laws about it. Women being killed because of domestic violence is very high in that country, and the rate of accountability to the males who kill their girlfriends, wives and sisters is very low. Incarceration is rare. In the more egregious cases there might be a fine.
      "Why does the family keep insisting that I am (responsible)?" ... Scapegoating usually starts when you are a toddler, pre-verbal. That should say a lot. Older women and mothers can actually scapegoat younger women worse than the males (although I don't know if you are a woman - if you are, scapegoating women has been going on since recorded history - a discovery was made that most of the Mayan "human sacrifices" to the gods were young women ... and then there are the Salem Witch Trials). In my own extended family, or a corner of it - 3 families in all, all females including daughters, stepdaughters, grand-daughters, step grand-daughters, were ostracized from the family except one female - it adds up to a lot of people dealing with estrangement, and the copy-cat feature paved the way for others to happen. We all have similar stories as to how, why, and when it happened, and no, we don't play flying monkeys or enablers in order to get more girls primed for estrangement.
      At any rate, keeping you in role (taking the blame no matter how flimsy it is) is very, very common, and it usually gets worse. If you go quiet, they can still say you provoked your father by a facial expression, or by looking elsewhere, or by leaving the room. The point is that scapegoating is allowed because they want themselves and the rest of the family to look blameless.
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    2. cont ...
      This most likely has nothing to do with you (my wild guess is that it has nothing to do with you - what is shining through in your description, at least, is a toxic family where a number of members may have personality disorders because of the type of scapegoating and blame-shifting, and yes, where you find one of them with a cluster B personality disorder, you find others).
      Part of scapegoating is family members trying their hardest to wipe out your defenses. If they can't wipe out your defenses, they can't scapegoat without push-back. On the surface, your situation sounds like the most common dynamics of scapegoating in dysfunctional families.
      Some scapegoats get cycles of scapegoating in this way: calm, a member wants to blame the scapegoat for something, the scapegoat defends themselves against the false accusations, the family ostracizes the scapegoat (often kicking them out of the family, leaving them in dire straits, or if they are an underage child, neglect, abuse, withdrawing love, isolating them, ignoring them on all levels sometimes even medically, is the route they take), the family expects the scapegoat to apologize for things that aren't their fault, the scapegoat apologizes to get rid of the issue, the family is happy, the cycle starts again.
      At some point, when the scapegoat is thrown out, they may decide to stay out. In my experience, most scapegoats take that route eventually. If you take that route in your late teens or when you are twenty without ever going back, you have the best chance of recovering, moving on, of achieving success, happiness and peace in your life, and I bet you don't think about your family much other than that when you have your own children, or are caretaking children, how wrong it was to treat a child the way you were treated.
      I don't think it is possible to stay in toxic families with a lot of personality disordered members without self-destructing. Even medically.

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  10. You're right, of course. However, I still grapple to understand this "blame the victim" dynamic so prevalent -not only in dysfunctional families - but in in society at large.
    For example. When I was in 3rd grade, several boys relentlessly picked on a smart, gentle boy with a lisp. They'd been doing it since kingergarten, but by the 3rd grade it'd grown exponentially worse. The boys became bolder. Verbal jibes became physical shoves. All year long they would group bully this kid. All 6 at once knocking his papers off his desk, poking him, tripping him, even knocking his head into his desk. All year long the teacher IGNORED the boys ganging up on him. I just kept sitting there praying for her to DO something about it every day. She never did. She let it thrive and worsen. I'll never forget when they banged his head into his desk after several minutes of roughening him up; silent tears fell down his face- he was hurt. What did the teacher do? She snapped at him in exasperation to "Sit up!" "Stop slouching!" After they'd knock him down, or press his head into his desk. She saw his injury and his tears and berated him and yelled at him for "disrupting her class." Every day this class felt unsafe to me, and I was always nervous from this unchecked bullying...but that particular episode sent a chill through me. I just sat still and focused on being as still and frozen as possible. I was terrified. I felt I was in a prison run by the insane. Where cruelty is in charge. I never forgot this incident. The other children did not seem afraid.
    They were mirthful, laughing, or in the girls case, caught up in their own little matters, not paying attention. It didn't seem to bother anyone else. The boy, Paul, wasn't seen much in school after that year. I don't know if his parents home schooled him or what. But at least they were looking out for him. I'm haunted by that teacher. She adored me, but I never got over how she treated Paul, how she let those boys torture him, and how she herself tortured him by blaming, shaming, and scolding him daily, instead of disciplining the boys that were clearly torturing him. Why was he bullied? He was smart, he wasn't immature like the rest of us, he had a lisp...but what I later came to notice that all targets of bullying possess-an utter lack of malice or need to dominate others; a certain "niceness." It's a quality they all possess. It's probably why females are so often the victims, as we often don't share that zeal to dominate others like males do. I suspect most people see that "nice" in someone (total lack of malice, the opposite of domination) and mistake it for stupidity. Or low intelligence. They certainly don't respect it.

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  11. At any rate, WHAT was that teacher thinking? What story was she telling herself to justify yelling at this boy instead of directing her energies toward reining in her classroom full of unruly bullies? She watched him get tortured every day. All year long. She did nothing to intervene. Just let the bullying run rampant, like the lord of the flies. Pretended she was "too busy" grading papers to see it. Those boys were from wealthy families; their parents were pillars in the community. Was she more concerned with maintaining her social standing with those parents? Was she too afraid to discipline them? But that explains why she took no action against them. It does not explain why she took action against the victim. Why she yelled, berated, shamed, and blamed him for the chaos in the classroom...instead of comforting him when the tears streamed down his face from their bashing his head into the metal desk. Instead of disciplining the jerks that so clearly needed to be reined it. She truly seemed angry, annoyed, with HIM - not with the actual trouble makers. What is this??? Are most human beings so emotional-social status-ego oriented that they can't see reality before them? Do most people go through life interacting with stories crafted in their heads that best suit their ego and justify their emotions rather than interacting with life itself before them? Did that teacher really not understand what was occurring in her classroom under her nose every day? Are most people just shoving away their undesirable feelings onto the least resistant human and dumping it there? Uncomfortable things about about themselves, or others, things they don't want to deal with, or acknowledge..just dump it on a defenseless other, with gusto, with righteousness, with disdain...then get on with the rest of their day feeling just fine about themselves, no guilt, no shame. Is that what's going on? Is this human life all about passing the hot potato of your own (responsibilities, negative emotions, misdeeds, malintents, things you'd rather not deal with or acknowlege, etc.) onto the one human in the group that refuses to do the same - i.e. shove /dump shit onto anther person - hence, they find the one person in the group who'll accept their bundle of psychological/personal failings/crap. It this all just one giant game of avoiding personal and group responsibility? Can they really be that unconscious of what they are doing?

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  12. Back to my family holiday incident. So I made the mistake of correctly identifying a family member in a photo. It incensed my father and he started berating me, telling me I was wrong, stupid, ridiculous, didn't know what I was talking about. I then pointed out the discrepancies in height between the two individuals in question, thinking I was helping him understand who the correct person was. I quickly realized that wasn't the point, the point was to berate me and make me wrong, and unload his need for domination over me. My brother is beside him, highly animated, frowning and mouthing at me to shut up. I leave the room. I'm a little disheartened by how aggressive my brother was toward me. Again, I expect it from my father, but not my older brother. I left the kitchen and retreated to my room. I look up the family member in question on facebook, just to prove to myself that I'm not crazy. There she was, her photo smiling up at me with her name identifying her clear as day. I was right, despite being told I was wrong/crazy/ridiculous/stupid. My older brother comes into my room a few minutes later, to justify why he'd scolded me so frantically. He explained that our father was like a volcano and my speaking was setting him off. Fine, I let him be mistaken about which person was his family member. I walked away. But then he sees my computer screen and it reanimates his frustration with me. He's begins round 2 of scolding me. Apparently, it was wrong of me to state a fact out load in front of my father (ok, fine- I went quiet and left the room). But it's more than that, because here I am having retreated to my room, no where near my father, and my brother is still upset with me for daring to look up the family member online in the privacy of my own room, because, lo and behold, it shows I was correct. In his mind, how dare I continue to be "right." It's defiant of me to even have my own perception, even if I keep it to myself. I just sit there not saying anything why he scolds me again. He's claiming it's late and I shouldn't name the family member because it's late and its trying on our father. But, my father is no where around now, so his reasoning for scolding and being angry with me for how it affects our father now are not making sense. My looking up the family member in the privacy of my own room is not disturbing to my father in the least bit. He doesn't even know I'm doing it. Yet, it incenses my brother. He continues to claim that he's only scolding me because I stubbornly won't drop it and it's affecting our father. Yet, I barely spoke before, and left as soon as felt the temperature from my father and brother. I retreated to my room, looked her up only to reassure myself I wasn't crazy, like they said. My brother on the other hand, took the time to follow me, and keep it going. So I know his reasons for scolding me were bullshit It's not that he feels I might cause his father to explode. I'm in my own private room, not sharing my findings with anyone but myself, and in his mind I'm being defiant and not letting it go. I've barely said a sentence since the incident began. All the heat, all the dialogue, is coming from the men in the family. One of them even follows me into my room to continue round two of the scolding. Yet in their minds, it is I who won't let it go. It is I that caused them rage, frustration, the problem. Literally, all I did was correctly identify a family member in a photo, then I'm hounded and scolded by two men for doing so. Blamed for inflaming their emotions and patience.

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  13. Yes, I'm familiar with the criticism that comes, even when you are not saying anything, nor responding to their attacks. You'd think, if I'm not responding, I can't be feeding into it. Yet, even if I leave, or sit silently, they follow. They find critique in my facial expression (or lack there of...I try to keep the most neutral face.. while theirs is distorted in disdain, or rage, or disgust...while they accuse me of being "angry" or "difficult." Again, I ask: what is with people not correctly identifying their own emotional states? Why do they mistake their own negative emotional states onto their soft target? The target is often as soft as possible. Non resistant. Submissive. Yet, they STILL see the soft target as the aggressive one, the angry one, the trouble making one, the bad one. HOW is this happening???? Are they really that unconscious of themselves? Are the stories they feed themselves to justify their feelings THAT powerful that they superimpose over reality? They aren't actually interacting with me, or with Paul. We might as well not exist because they aren't interacting with us. They're interacting with themselves but using our bodies. How do we get them to WAKE UP?

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    1. cont ...
      On the teacher from your past ...
      Bullying wasn't taken seriously in the 1950s, 1960s, and through much of the 1970s. I don't know if you were in school then, but the "help" that was available then all the way until 2012 or so, was largely ineffective because school counselors focused on trying to heal victims WHILE THE BULLYING WAS STILL GOING ON. Sorry for the "all-caps", but there is no italic, or underline available in the comments section and I wanted to draw attention to that.
      We know that as long as bullying is still going on that it will escalate even if the victim is getting counseling. The amygdala hijack inside the person who is bullied will also get worse as long as bullying is still going on. Ugh, the policies of the old days!
      I taught school and I would not stand for bullying in my classroom, not at all. I'd grade the homework, and often spend hours afterwards trying to figure out how to deal with all of the adverse social interactions between my students.
      As a new teacher I saw that the kids who got bullied the most were kids who came from a foreign country, the disabled, angelic girls who were "innocent", kids that seemed not to be socially connected (who were new, or hadn't found a friend) and sometimes kids who were economically disadvantaged and some who were going through terrible situations at home. I'd bet that adult bullies pick these kinds of people too. Anyway, it informed me enough to look after kids like that.
      One study I have yet to talk about is that kids who bully without much resistance actually get a boost to their immune system. Their bodies fight off diseases better. Kids who are bullied and overwhelmed, get a compromise in their immune system, and do not fight off pathogens as well. So bullying on a physical level is like feeding off a host.
      Scapegoats who are often plagued with stress more or less all of the time, tend to have full blown autoimmune disorders, and there are more and more studies where it may be predominantly about adults who dealt with a lot of adverse childhood situations and social interactions (bullying, domestic violence, street fighting, one parent abusing another parent, sexual abuse, disorganized attachment, would all count). Scapegoats are particularly at risk for autoimmune disorders.
      So, in a way it's like taking energy away from one person and feeding themselves - it probably had some use in the cave-man days, but I think you can see that it is sick when a parent or teacher bullies a child (which is when we get into deciphering if they have aggressive traits, or personality disorders, namely Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder).
      "Do most people go through life interacting with stories crafted in their heads that best suit their ego and justify their emotions rather than interacting with life itself before them?" - this a sign of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. When you see this behavior, you can assume they are not going to be very good listeners, or care what you have to say, and that you have to go to someone else to solve the problem. As a kid, you wouldn't have known what to do, so you did the best you could, and being anxious around bullying is "the natural reaction" in most children. It's why most schools now have "no bullying" codes of conduct now because anxiety and witnessing bullying can have an effect on learning.
      In terms of ending the scourge of anxiety, depression, and being raged at, effective boundaries usually help.
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    2. As far as witnessing so much adverse human behavior, maybe the best way to look at it is that it is "un-evolved". When you get to the point of thinking, "We can do better as a species than to indulge in bullying and wars", and you feel disgust when you see these things, you may have "crossed the Rubicon" into a higher state of evolution. If empaths are the most intelligent among us (and supposedly they are), then we are lucky. We see what others cannot see, know things that others cannot know, and we are also capable of much, much better relationships too, something they will always miss out on in their quests for power, control, domination, and the hardened defenses of blame-shifting, punishing and rage.

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